CANCER man falling for a SCORPIO woman,,, NEED HELP !

topic posted Tue, April 25, 2006 - 12:42 AM by  Specter
I'm a Cancer man,,, at the fullest. Caring, sensitive, protective, emotional and with great confidence. But lately, something has happened.

I have found a Scorpio women. We've been together, officially , for about 2 months now. I have to admit that I did smother her with affection and caring right from the start.
I couldn't help it ! I have been a loner for quite some time and after countless nights and countless one night stands, I am finally happy and starting to feel again. Now she is backing away and softly asking for space.

And I feel helpless now,,, because I am quickly falling for her and somehow I have to retain it all back and give her the space she wants,, or end up losing her.

The problem is ,, that I do know myself, and when my heart starts hurting,,, I discretly turn on that self-defense mechanism that has protected me through all these years. And once its turned on, I rapidly retreat back into my shell , to later close my heart to that person. ( but nevermind my problem,, I want to know how to treat her and make her feel she has that space, without having her forget about me because of the "distance" )

Is she playing mind games?

Any adivice from Scorpio women out there?
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Specter
Taiwan
  • Haha! I'm a Scorpio woman & you'll get no help from me!! ;)
    Fall hard ~ you'll love it.....

    all-ways,
    mem

    • Oh come on Mary Ellen !! Help me out !! plzzz.

      Listen,, honestly.... i don't mind falling for her. I'm actually wondering if she is the one for me.. I really am falling for her and I love it.. I just need some pointers on how to deal with a scorpio, because i feel that she either is scared of emotionally depending on someone or just wants to find out if i am the real thing.

      please point me in the right direction with some advice on how to treat her... =(
      • Well, I have yet to read the remaining responses from people so may be, may be not reiterating what someone else says?

        Firstly, the obvious - the best person to tell you how to treat her is, well two people actually - her, and you.

        She can best share with you how she prefers to be related with.
        And you can best know what is most authentic and natural or desireable for you in relating with her.

        Second - obvious as it is, people who share the same sun sign and other astrological placements are still varied people. Which pretty much goes back to the first aspect of asking her directly. And being willing to really hear and accept what she expresses as wanting, being interested in, etc..
        Do not try to force things in my opinion. Maybe she would like that? But it may also be... forcing things which can break them.

        I can personally relate to the process of feeling people and being patient in the ongoing process of discerning how "real", honest people are that I open up to personally closely. Do they talk alot of promises, professions of Love, interests, blah blah blah but often do not follow through? That turns me off when it is in certain aspects of relating, making plans with each other, expressions of values in certain areas yet actions speak otherwise.

        Of course flexibility is useful as life is fluid and changeable. Yet there can be significant differences in a natural, healthy fluidity and change in ourselves and life, which is different from simply being flakey, saying what someones thinks another wants to hear in order to get something like relating in certain ways from them when that someone really does not feel, believe, value or want what they are saying they do.
        Or they simply do not really know themselves well enough to really know but are willing to say they do to "get" something. Granted, this can be a grey area as we are changing, transforming beings. Scorpios and other signs equally.

        Yet there is an inner space that if we are open to &honest with ourselves and others, we can feel when we know we don't really know.
        Or that for as much as possible we do know how we feel about something, what we really believe, want, have done, will do...
        And being straight up honest about this is essential for full integrity, honesty and energetically clear relationships with ourselves and others.

        Thirdly - this is just my feeling, as everything i expressed is at least at this moment, Im not much of a believer in "The One". As in there is only one real person in the vast universe that we are matched to and compatible with ultimately. Likely there are many people who are potentially well matched as friends, lovers, life companions, work partners, etc.
        Some certainly more so than others.
        But I cant speak for others on this.

        So my suggestion, listen to her. What is she saying verbally, energetically, relationally? And trust that. If she is saying opposite of what she wants, well Im not into that type of energy-wasting game playing myself and would just walk away if thats the case. Better to relate with someone who means what they express so energy is clearer all around.

        Love yourself - no one is worth losing your center over. This is different from closing ones heart though. Heart open, but equilibrium emotionally remains within ones own center, Love & being.
  • I am a scorpio woman and you must give her the space, but also let her know you are not playing games , not interested in bullshit, (hers or yours), you love her completely and totally, spiritually, intellectually and physically, you support her need for epic adventure (internally or out in the world) , emotional processing (alone time) and that you are not giving her this space in a pouty, or gamey way. Be strong for her, take a stand for her ,demonstrate that you can do this. Dont be a wuss.

    I would be asking for the space in order to preserve the relationship, to insure I stay in love with you, rather than because i want it to end. Maybe because I want to move to the next level, which is to see how loving you fits in with doing my own thing....can i have you AND me...its a test i need to run.


    we scorps can rush headlong into the intensity of fully getting to know someone and we can lose ourselves in the process. The back off is only to re group and find our center again..and contemplate the next wave...can our lives integrate in such a way that all my dreams come true and you get yours as well..

    Do your own work while you are seperate..strengthen who you are in relation to the world and your purpose here on earth...stay 3 dimensional and active.

    people get in relation with other peoples lives, not just the people.

    one last thought is that I personally as a scorpio, love it when people cut the bullshit. You can be extremely frank and non gamey and I will admire that. It actually will cause a bond and shared sense of humor that is very "best friend like".

    all of this is totally subjective and a whole lot of transferring and guessing...i also havent had breakfast yet!! I hope its useful.
    • Scorpios main enactment to a relationship is the act of Sex. Its in the sexual act that they understand and feel the intensity of the patner, thats how they function. Its in intensity that they dwell. To understand Scorpio then look at the qualities of Taurus there opposite sign. Senses, values, and stability. Scorpios admire that. They are a fixed sign so they do not waiver much from there ultimate goal which is to find a relationship that completes there diesires for stability, honesty, no games for sure (for sure) and the commiment of sexual bonding.
    • Thank you.. Thank you, all of you .

      I have a better idea of what I have to do. =)

      I really appreciate this,, I will let you people know how it goes. =D

      Thanks,
      • hows it going??!! we got your back man!! the zodiac posse...
        • Hey gang,, I wanted to thank all of you for your kindness in helping me out.

          Well, things are looking up. AFter I stopped emailing her so often and limited my phone calls, she started looking for me. I feel that bit by bit we are slowly learning to appreciate each other more. I mean, I have to admit that our relationship just started and I was just so intrigued by her from the start.

          Sometimes I wish she could be more communicative. Usually when she has a problem or something is bothering her, she just superficially mentions the problem but does not want to delve deep into the root of it. I , on the other hand, am used to talking it all out and trying to isolate the catalyst in order to attack it,, but somehow she is used to closing up to herself. =(

          I guess time is my best ally at this point and I just have to be patient and supportive. And I will be ,,,,, I will be for her !

          But yeah,, things are looking brighter and I really appreciate all your tips. Thank you.

          sincerely,
          a merrier Cancer =D
  • Dear Cancer man,

    According to astrology cancer men and scorpio women are a good match sexually but communication is a whole other matter. Like you I am deeply attached to my Scorpio mate, but she is so difficult to communicate with. I as a Cancerian man we great communicators but with Scorpio women it seems to be nearly impossible to get through that Scorpion pincer. They can be so frustrating! In usually situations we cancerians can be very loving commuicators but that Scorpion will frustrate our methods of communication to the enth degree. I would dearly like to see some website dedicated to this issue about Cancerian men and Scorpion women just to help us poor cancerian men work out how to "handle" that wannabe bossy in charge type Scorpion personality.

    Regards,
    frustrated cancerian husband.
    • Just look in the eyes..fell and they will send the info.. You'll see whats needed to see if you just relax and look for it..Isn't that what Cancer male does fairly easilly..
      • not fell "feel"
        • I'm a Sagittarius woman in love with a Scorpio man, and we have a kid together. I agree 100% with every word Lisa said.
          • I am a scorpio woman and you must give her the space, but also let her know you are not playing games ,---From Lisa, so true but one thing you seem to have missed is that Scorpios do not communicate that well because they are so secreative and have a habit of only letting you know what they want you to know. Whereas a Cancer man or woman wears there feelings on there sleeve, you can read there faces because they are so emotional outwardly. Scorpios keep you guessing, thats there game, they hate games played on them but are great game players on others. What amazes me about Scorpios is that they do not rely to heavily on others for there own needs, they seem to attract people to them with as little effort or information as possible. Me I'm a Pisces, so there is a connection to Scorpios and Cancers in the grouping, generally pisces do not surprise easily.
            • Ohh myyy God !!!

              This is sooo freaky. Brian, I just read your comments about how Scorpios lack communication. And that is exactly the problem that we had again last night. =(

              We were talking about sexual pleasures and she gave me an excuse, telling me that she felt shy to talk about it, and at the same time I felt a bit annoyed because I felt she wasn't really concentrating on our conversation and at the end I just decided to go to sleep early.

              I really want to learn as much as I can from her, in order to please her,, but it is so frustrating to deal with someone that doesn't communicate that well. I am patient and I am strong,, because I decided to stick to her side. but I do wish she could feed me a bone once in a while . ='(

              What do you recommend I do when this happens again?
              • Firstly, i really dont know that its accurate to generalize based on one astrological sign for a whole, intricate being.

                That being said, it would seem to me that communicating with someone we have already chosen to open up to personally, sexually & (hopefully) heartfully would be a perfect place for opening fully and willingly, intensely engaging communication ( nonverbal as well as verbal ) with each other about personal and transpersonal feelings, realities, desires, etc.

                So i would not attribute the noncommunication so much to scorpio per se, as to the specific individual.
                Although initially, before deciding to open up & feeling comfortable enough with someone to become personally & sexually involved with them, being reserved & cautious in a sense around them is pretty natural for myself, and could perhaps be viewed as one manner of scorpionic energy.
                • Well said Aaron.

                  Though I may not have been the greatest communicator myself (particularly during my younger days), I'm all about it these days. Without trying to over generalise, I would say that scorpionic essense in nature does not particularly shy away from *anything* and that most if not all perceived 'reluctancy' on their part serves an inherent sense of self protection, and not so much from others as from their own set of powerful and potentially self "limiting" sensibilities.

                  Three key words: trust, directness, patience.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    We were talking about sexual pleasures and she gave me an excuse, telling me that she felt shy to talk about it, ----I'll bet a dime to a dollar shes got a Capricorn Moon or rising sign.


                    Firstly, i really dont know that its accurate to generalize based on one astrological sign for a whole, intricate being.---I'm not, I'm talking about a sun sign, if you want more you can see more in the chart. But that Astrology now isn't it combining the generalizations.
                    • If she isn't ready to talk about sex, what's the problem? Don't talk about it and don't push it on her.... change the subject and talk about your goals for the New Year, ask her about hers .... and let her come to you.... don't try to talk her into sex and don't overpower her.... just wait and show her the fine Cancer man you are.... be her beau not her lover until she's ready. You won't be disappointed.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    We were talking about sexual pleasures and she gave me an excuse, telling me that she felt shy to talk about it, ----I'll bet a dime to a dollar shes got a Capricorn Moon or rising sign.


                    Firstly, i really dont know that its accurate to generalize based on one astrological sign for a whole, intricate being.---I'm not, I'm talking about a sun sign, if you want more you can see more in the chart. But that Astrology now isn't it combining the generalizations.
                    • I am a scorpio woman, as stated a few posts back, and one aspect of my make up that is extremely pronounced is the ability to read people and situations, to completely see through people even when I don't want to, and also, I seem to always know what peole are going to do about 3 moves ahead (using a chess metaphore) ... of course it has it's uses but it is also scary...and it puts me in a weird really exhausting position of having to hold my tounge all the time....people will say something and I will be reading their motivation and see their process and personality traits and future possibilties and machinations.....all this information comes wether I fucking want it or not and so I just become very gaurded with my responses sometimes because the "world out there" is really loaded....all of this leaves me with safety issues...and slows down my response time sometimes, which can be interpreted as non communication...I am outrageously communicative...so 2 things come to mind...1) check your agenda...were you doing one thing on the surface, but really manipulating something below that...or using that conversation to do something other than the conversation. ..or 2) if she has similiar issues as me she may be in a lag time on the subject and you can re visit it.
                      3) I personally feel so much depth, intensity and transformative power, otherworldlyness in sex that when people want to talk about it in a sort of non intuitive way...I am a little bit surprised at where they are coming from...

                      Once again, this is all my own highly subjective personal stuff...i have never even met either of you...total tranference probably.
                      • Dear Lisa,

                        ..... *sigh* ..... You are right. You are very right.
                        After I read your last post, I started reassessing my real motives on why I was touching that subject. Superficially, yes I wanted to know what drove her sexually. - I remember one of our first intimate encounters, how she blurtted out that she "loved to have sex with me". I don't want to sound pretentious, but I have heard that before, but somehow when she said it,, it just brought a huge smile to my heart. And I really wanted to know more on how to please her, because I just don't want our love-making to be good, I want it to be great. And everytime, it feels like it. But I have to admit to all of you,, that you are right Lisa. After some careful thought, I realize that there was a deep & hidden motive on why I was asking that and I guess she homed in on it like a hawk. I guess its because I want to know everything about her, every detail, evey thought,,,, and ironically I know that those details may sometimes inflict damage on me, especially if she mentions details about a past lover. I don't know why I ask them, ... I do feel ashamed. I guess I just need to grow up. ...... *sigh* ....

                        Last night we were talking on the phone and she mentioned how she doesn't like to give out those details because she feels that I will start thinking about them,, and she is right. I admitt it. So then I told her.,." I understand and I am sorry and I will never ask details like that ever again". ( and I mean it, because I am really trying to make our relationship work) I did mention to her , that sometimes I can't help asking, and although I know that later I will be pondering on them, at the same time I feel that the more I think about it, the more I am able to come to terms with her past and the more I am able to accept it. But enough is enough, I won't delve into that region anymore.

                        Thank you so much,,, your consideration and advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

                        Thank you, all of you. =(




                        • you are so adorable..haha...best of luck to you and your sweetheart. Lisa
                          • i am a scorpio female, and we are indeed complex creatures :) there is much on our minds at all times and sometimes it is hard to verbalize it all (for me anyways). i am dating a cancer man and i finally feel like i emotionally relate to a significant other on a level that leaves me feeling as secure and happy as can be, although i know he worries... and i hide things... so sometimes our minds work overtime!
                            this may help, cuz if i could tell my canceer something that concerns me it would be:
                            as far as sex-
                            its a very deep thing for scorpios. and i think for cancers they need to feel really secure and comfertable to let go like a scorpio craves from them. there isnt an act or trick in particular that pleases me, its a feeling i get when i know there is a total release, a raw bond, and undevided emotionality. i want to look into his eyes and know he can stare back with love, not fearing a thing. sex is the root of love for me. it takes people to a deeper level when they can be themselves 100% and just let go of eberything. easy right!!?? haha

                            communication-
                            dont be afraid to dig. there isnt a question that would upset me, because the curiousity shows a caring, loving interest. but i wont ever blab openly about much. and if i do its not tride and true. what i mean is that deep revealing happens when trust runs thick, in moments that are absolutely meant to be. i wont share until i know your heart is mine Mine MINE :) then you can have it all. and most of the time its not secretive, just not necessary to talk about.

                            i dont think you need to worry your little mind too much. thats what my boyfriend does, which is sweet :) but i have so much love for him that i think the stars meant for us to meet. i feel so lucky to have such a devoted and loving cancer finally!!
                            • I couldn't agree with Megan anymore......very well said!!! I am for one Scorpio woman as well and I agree with her a 100%

                              What can you tell me about Cancer man?? Because I've been "talking" to one for 5 months now and we txt msg each other every day and we see each other once a week....this week I pissed him off because I told him that I got the impression that him and his female best friend were having a fling and I mentioned it to him to clarify the air but he took it as the most insulting thing ever and got into a fight. This was two days ago so yesterday I called him to apoligize and explain to him why and who told me that and he is ok we're cool now...the rest of the convo went fine and we hung up. However I still haven't heard from him which is very strange because I normaly would have heard from him by now at least two times.....but nothing and i'm really sad....I have never felt like this about a man before and I still have no idea where we stand ( i know if I want to know I should ask....but I can't) I was hoping by mentioning that topic about him and his female friend that it would open the subject cause I told himi if you are involved with her we should't be talking the way we do to each other. But he isn't he said they were just friends but never really said anything on what we are. And will he ever be the same with me again????? I miss him already :(
                        • specter,

                          i'll just have this to say..

                          im very much in love with a man who is a pisces sun and a cancer moon. im a gemini sun and aries moon...which means sun sq sun and moon sq moon for us..

                          he asked me alot of questions about my past and i answered him truthfully, at the same time reminding him that he should not get upset about my exes since they're past. anyway, i was wary of him asking the questions in the first place because i felt he was testing me. maybe he was but im not dishonest. and now, i realise he only wants the details so as to know me better and to please me. and so am i for him! like you say...every detail, every thought. and yet sometimes i get so scared that he may be seeing an ideal of our relationship, not the reality.. and that there may be other girls who are more suited to him emotionally and im just a phase for him..

                          our rule is that we can ask whatever we want ( u can guess by now we're new love) but we cant get upset over the answers. or if we do..we talk about it. or second rule is that if we fight, we should simply have sex.

                          both of us have hurts we dont want to address (not just yet) and i've caught myself in the act of shoving them aside when i should be sharing them with my partner..but we learn so slowly yet surely to adapt to one another...

                          hope it works out for you..
  • I am a Scorpio woman, very independent, very proud. A Cancer man has noticed me... so I took an interest in him in return. I can tell you this about myself, as a Scorpio woman, I don't play games. I don't have to .... If she noticed you or responded to you at all, then you're special. A typical Scorpio woman doesn't have a pack of male friends... and she doesn't need a man who is unworthy of her. If she says she needs space, then maybe she just want to get some work done or something else that has nothing to do with you. You just be sure to not do anything low life or sleasy or childish in the meantime, like go to the local whorehouse to let off some steam or show up on her porch sobbing because you can't live without her. You must exhibit self control, a high sense of honor, and some patience here. If she wants you, she'll come back around.
    • DEE
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      strange, all scorp women i've known have had a "pack of male friends"

      usually more male friends than female
      • As a Scorp woman... I have ALWAYS had more guy friends than girl friends... My closest and bestest friends are always guys. Minimal drama and guys can handle my brashness and appreciate my opinion and value my opinion because of my honesty
        • Awa
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          Scorpio woman here.

          It is what it is dear ; ) If it's hard work it may not be the right thing... Right thing right now at least. But in three years it could be bliss.

          I realised last week that the three long term relationships I've had in the last twelve years have all been CANCER men!!! Good lord. Very startling.

          The three Cancers were all different. All three savagely loyal. But to who? Yes, their families. But not always to their lover. It depends where they are in life. They may put family and long time friends before lover and they don't see a problem with that. They may put lover above all else which can be sickeningly unhealthy - for both.

          Or it can all come together and be everything you ever thought it could be and more and scorpio ends up scared out of her mind because even when it rains it shines! Oh the complex Scorp!

          So my dear spectre... As a scorpio woman let me tell you there is great peril and great reward. Time, maturity, life experience, love experience... All these things contribute to a scorpio woman AND cancer man. I hope this is not the woman to ruin you for the real Scorpio who is supposed to claim your love. You are still happy. You don't sound like a Cancer that's been hit by a partner who had been secretly working as a high class hooker ;o) But I digress...

          You say you are trying to deal with her past? Hmmmm... Don't try. If it bothers you now, step away from the scorp! You two may be having the best sex of your lives! Awesome! Enjoy it! She must have learnt her tricks from somewhere (and as you talk yourself up, you must have learnt a thing or two so quit being a prude.) If your emotions are as mixed up as you say they are though then there may be issues. Just because a website says that scorp vs cancer is paradise doesn't mean you should believe it to the point that you're not listening to your instincts.

          I'm not saying that relationships should never hit speed bumps. But ask yourself - should it be this hard? Ask it everytime your tummy has that 'kicked in' feeling. Everytime you feel empty but also feel bad for feeling empty over something so little or trivial or supposedly small ask yourself why.

          Imagine lying next to someone without needing to say a word yet you've communicated an infinity of feeling, trust, worth, goals, dreams and values. If you can lie beside someome and just breathe you are halfway there. The rest is the fun bit of fooing around...lots!

          I hope I have not mis-read you. And this is in no way a judgement of you dear! You are amazingly giving! You are here frequently asing how to, where to, why!! Don't forget about the hows, whys and wheres that you need to fulfill for yourself. I am a BELIEVER of GREAT things - not mediocre ;) and always want people to have the best. Let's face it - you can buy mediocre in a bottle and it could be corked!

          Good luck dear. I am living the Scorpio Cancer dream and hopeI never wake up!!
          x